Curse

arcanemacabre · Jun 28, 2007, 07:33 AM // 07:33

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Originally Posted by flubber

well...pretty much you are all wrong. Only reason action has never been taken against runners is because the community/anet supports the exploit.

Explain how it's an exploit if the developers of the game support it. What exactly makes it an exploit?

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Originally Posted by flubber

no one like the truth. No one..

I can tell. You do seem a bit upset.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 07:47 AM // 07:47

it's never been called out as an exploit before now has it?(not to my knowledge)

Too many people use it to admit it. and so the devs choose to do nothing about it. which is why you never see the runners who scam and the scammers who don't pay keep bumping uglies with each other...so in a sick way, the devs support the scamming of a exploit. lol.

in the end...no one gets banned...no one gets the gold back..

me upset? I'm roffelcoptering at this entire thread, even my own posts...It's pure entertainment.

I love calling them like I see them. and then having people say "no".

freekedoutfish · Jun 28, 2007, 09:55 AM // 09:55

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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie

Someone drops out so they then demand everyone else pays more after, after ,we have all paid; obviously knew we'd not stand for getting pushed about like gimps. 99% of runners simply get peeved when someone drops out, they do not take payment then demand more money or they quit.

Out of the literally countless runners I've had over the years from mr random wammo to those 'lady blue steel' world tour types, never been scammed, so when it happens I think it's only right to give everyone a heads up on the very few that are not trustworthy.

This scammer also mocked the ability to report scammers, I've never been scammed, never had to report a scammer, I'd like to know does it work or is it futile?

gg all.

IMO...

1) Running is cheating, because your paying to be run around the game instead of putting your own effort in. If you get scammed doing so, then tough sh*t in my view.

2) If your being run by a person who is charging a total price amoung you're group, then your stupid. You pay a set price EACH, not as a total group.

If you really, really have to be run somewhere. Then you pay a set price individually such as 500g-1k personally. You DONT pay 5-10k as a group, because then if someone leaves, you all have to cough up their share.

Its a blatent scam otherwise.

Does that really take a huge amount of intelligence?

*roles eyes*

drago34 · Jun 28, 2007, 01:10 PM // 13:10

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Originally Posted by flubber

it's never been called out as an exploit before now has it?(not to my knowledge)

Too many people use it to admit it. and so the devs choose to do nothing about it. which is why you never see the runners who scam and the scammers who don't pay keep bumping uglies with each other...so in a sick way, the devs support the scamming of a exploit. lol.

in the end...no one gets banned...no one gets the gold back..

me upset? I'm roffelcoptering at this entire thread, even my own posts...It's pure entertainment.

I love calling them like I see them. and then having people say "no".

Both you and your logic fail... Just stop before you make a bigger ass of yourself. Running= gold sink= Keeping the economy alive, it's nothing like an exploit.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Both you and your logic fail...

LoL

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Just stop before you make a bigger ass of yourself.

it's not me that is making an ass of myself..I know what's going on. The rest are in denial, like yourself.

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Running= gold sink= Keeping the economy alive

which is why it is put up with...never denied that

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it's nothing like an exploit.

HaaHaaaHaaa

yea you're right...all low level characters are meant to have max armor, access to 'greater' skills and the ability to cut game-play in Half.

Risa · Jun 28, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Uhhh... Let's see... I beat the game already. Took me a nice 24 hours or so. I have money. I want a new character. But I don't want to spend 5-10 hours going through Kryta, the Maguuma, and then ascending in the Desert. Instead, I can get a run to Droks in 30 minutes, get maxed armor, and cap some elites without having to waste 10k on an elite tome.

In the end, I save time by spending money. And since time is money, it's a win-win situation. Only I'm having a lot more fun with my maxed armor and elites than I was grinding my way through 13 missions to get to Droks, which I happened to already have done with my other character.

And don't give me that OMG MAXED ARMOR ON A LEVEL 4 EXPLOIT EXPLOIT OMG shit. I could've just did one extra mission to get to LA, then to KC and buy maxed armor there. But maybe I wanted to get 15k armor in Grotto. So I spend more money and then I have this awesome armor, which would have taken me 7 or so hours to get if I went the long way.

I HAVE money. I can SPEND my money in whatever fashion I want. If I want to take a risk and take a faster method than grinding through the game, I'm free to do so. If I get scammed, that's because I wasn't careful. It's not like I can't get that 3k back ever ever again.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 03:29 PM // 15:29

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And don't give me that OMG MAXED ARMOR ON A LEVEL 4 EXPLOIT EXPLOIT OMG shit. I could've just did one extra mission to get to LA, then to KC and buy maxed armor there.

Prime example of another great exploit (as mentioned by others) along with the docks ferry lol.

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Only I'm having a lot more fun with my maxed armor and elites than I was grinding my way through 13 missions to get to Droks, which I happened to already have done with my other character.

it sure is fun, isn't it?
I believe that is the main reason it is left in game. it just happens to be that alot of 'new' people know/learn about it as well. which is why you have 'low end people' in 'high end areas'. all that is accomplished is making horrible players, who don't even know simple game mechanics.

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If I get scammed, that's because I wasn't careful. It's not like I can't get that 3k back ever ever again.

Tell that to the OP. Not me. lol.

aubee · Jun 28, 2007, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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And don't give me that OMG MAXED ARMOR ON A LEVEL 4 EXPLOIT EXPLOIT OMG shit. I could've just did one extra mission to get to LA, then to KC and buy maxed armor there.

Prime example of another great exploit (as mentioned by others) along with the docks ferry lol.

Uh...are you really claiming that being able to buy Factions and travel from LA to KC is an exploit? You think it's a bug that ANet lets Tyrian characters travel from LA to KC? If so, ANet sure is silly deliberately designing all these exploits into their game. And it's downright nefarious how they then disallow players utilizing these exploits in their rules of conduct.

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it sure is fun, isn't it?
I believe that is the main reason it is left in game. it just happens to be that alot of 'new' people know/learn about it as well. which is why you have 'low end people' in 'high end areas'. all that is accomplished is making horrible players, who don't even know simple game mechanics.

Fwiw, it isn't just "left in the game." The possibility for players to make the run from Beacon's to Droks was put there deliberately by ANet when they developed Guild Wars and you can bet that the first person to ever make the run was one of the GW developers before the game was ever released. If they hadn't wanted it to be possible, they didn't even have to put Lornar's Pass on the map. It pretty much serves no other useful game purpose, right?

And the reason cited by the poster to whom you are responding is likely why they made such a bypass of a large chunk of the game possible, so that players don't have to grind through the whole game with their 5th, 6th, and 7th characters if they don't want to. That plus the fact that they probably just thought it would be cool and fun for players to try and make the run. They do seem to track and regulate the difficulty of the run to make sure that not just anyone can do it. I have little doubt that it is still set up pretty much exactly how ANet originally intended it to be.

But feel free to believe that the Droks run is an accident and that runners and those being run are scammers and exploiters. Whatever makes you happy.

DragonLord|PL| · Jun 28, 2007, 04:02 PM // 16:02

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Originally Posted by flubber

I believe that is the main reason it is left in game. it just happens to be that alot of 'new' people know/learn about it as well. which is why you have 'low end people' in 'high end areas'. all that is accomplished is making horrible players, who don't even know simple game mechanics.

How long ago did you played? I haven`t seen low lvl characters for a long time in high-end areas (at least in Europe). Even if, they won`t form a party other than henchmen or with group that will accept them (they aren`t blackmailing 20lvl parties, are they?). New players usually don`t have 15k to buy run + armor, so they will go through game in "normal" way. If they just want a max armor, they go to F/NF (only cost of armor, no run required, at least no expensive run). So the only people using Drok runs are now these having only Prop, players who prefer Tyrian art >>> other, or players that want to have access to SF or other southern shiverpeak areas (elites) w/o having to do lots of stupid missions again (I`m sick of doing Magguma 10th time, especially when playing monk, henching is awful...).

If someone think Drok run is cheating - its just your opinion. Imo its same as using storage to obtain max weapon rather than taking the one you found on gound...

lennymon · Jun 28, 2007, 06:14 PM // 18:14

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Originally Posted by flubber

well...pretty much you are all wrong. Only reason action has never been taken against runners is because the community/anet supports the exploit.

period.

no one like the truth. No one..

Ahhhh, sweet sweet irony.

Don't argue with idiots, they'll only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Seriously... and to the OP good job, regardless of the questionable logic in some of the posts in this thread, and regardless of whether Anet does something it's the right thing to do.

Phaern Majes · Jun 28, 2007, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Ok, you need to find a new word, because if it were truly an exploit that would involve the runners using the game in a way Anet didn't intend it to be used. However you admit yourself that Anet supports it so by definition it can't be an exploit. If the developers LEAVE it in the game, ALLOW it to continue, and go so far as to SUPPORT it how can it be labeled exploiting?

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Originally Posted by DragonLord|PL|

If someone think Drok run is cheating - its just your opinion. Imo its same as using storage to obtain max weapon rather than taking the one you found on gound...

My God don't give him another thing to rant about. Because you soooo know storage is such an exploit /sarcasm

Lmao at the "no one likes the truth" bit. The person who is wrong often tries to justify their claims by saying everyone else is wrong and in the dark.

gone · Jun 28, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Ok, you need to find a new word, because if it were truly an exploit that would involve the runners using the game in a way Anet didn't intend it to be used.

no, it is what it is...an exploit.

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However you admit yourself that Anet supports it so by definition it can't be an exploit. If the developers LEAVE it in the game, ALLOW it to continue, and go so far as to SUPPORT it how can it be labeled exploiting?

I can't rightfully answer for anets actions/reasons for letting it in game. I can only call them on it.

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Lmao at the "no one likes the truth" bit. The person who is wrong often tries to justify their claims by saying everyone else is wrong and in the dark.

Yes, all of the people who say it isn't an exploit are supporters of it. That is the beauty of it. And no thousands of people aren't in the dark, they just use the exploit(s) to their advantage.

-and for the record, this isn't a rant. It's a in-game observation. of. an. exploit.

Hmmm...why don't my heros start out with max armor, and why can't I get it for them...anet fix this please lol.

That must be a glitch...because according to all of you, they should have access to max armor from lv.3...but for some reason their armor levels thru the leveling system.

Age · Jun 28, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Cottage Pie

oh the dyes in the bag were just to get labyrithine(?) monk armour. I tend to turn cash into dyes when they are at a low value and I know they will go up again (in this case cos of the dye weekend). Anyhow this isn't about the 2k geepee, it's about the disgusting behaviour of a player which is far more significant than virtual gold. I also sent the report in on behalf of others I was with.

But hey, according to the more bitter cases in this thread even bothering to report a scammer is somehow confusing. I'll count my blessings I'm not so easily confused. Also, that is what scammers themselves always say, so when someone else says it I instantly think they are probably a lame 50g-not-50k scammer.

I really find it hilarious how people who waste countless hours on games trying to get 1337 st0ff allude to the time, roughly seven minutes, it takes to submit a complete report in the hopes that unwelcome scammers will feel some heat. I'm really not sure what their point is. I could say they wasted their time posting such useless drivel in this thread, but their heads would explode.

I would of simply of paid for that person that left you.You might of been out 3K big deal.The runner could of simple left all of you there to fight you own way down to Droks.This what I do when I run ppl through the game if no payment is made along the points I have set out and someone does want to pay I will leave them and it is no where near a town or outpost.I take screenshots as well.I would report honestly the person who left the party as well.I wonder how you will trust a runner from Droks to Marhan's Grotto.

To the rest of you who are saying boarding up Lornar's Pass they would never do that.What about those ascended players who are making there way up there to get cartographers title?How are they suppose to get into Beacons that is what that entrace is for.

unienaule · Jun 29, 2007, 05:15 AM // 05:15

I have to LOL at calling running an exploit since the devs have talked about it and why they set up Factions and Nightfall the way they did in regards to running.

Anyway, this thread is total crap and a flame war now. Closed.